How do you think a boxing match is officially judged?
Judging how some people are reacting to the Haye-Valuev results, I’m beginning to wonder about this.
How do you think, without consulting online references, boxing matches are judged?
What is a judge’s job?
Well, as far as I know, it’s supposed to be:
1. Clean Punching
2. Effective Aggressiveness
3. Ring Control And Generalship
4. Defense
What happened last night was nothing more then a real slap in the face to Evander Holyfield before anyone else, Ruslan Chagaev too and couple of other Valuev’s opponents and not to mention boxing fans who have seen the match.
MD victory – give me a break. Ruslan Chagaev got the majority decision against Nikolay and he literally won every round of the match. He engaged, made it a fight, schooled Valuev from bell to bell and he was just only barely able too eek out MD in the end.
46 year old Evander Holyfield, did the exact same thing as Haye, except that he was 3 times more active and he lost?!
David Haye threw and landed literally 2 punches a round and that was enough for him to win?! Valuev didn’t do much better either, but at least he was pressing the action, landing some jabs and trying to engage every time he had Haye on the ropes.
Bottom line – this fight was an embarrassment and the decision even worse and WBA should be disbanded for allowing these charades. Boxing may be going through some difficult times right now, but they seem to take it to the next level. Every time one of their world titles is on the line, especially here in Europe, they just have to find a way to further discredit and humiliate this sport. Having Haye as a world champion after last night just proves this statement.
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Elmer if you see this, I’d like to get your opinion on something.
I just saw your response to one of the Valuev vs Haye questions and you say that Haye clearly won based on defense and ring control and generalship. I agree with defense because Haye did show good evasions and good defensive movement, but how do you figure ring control and generalship? Valuev was the one who took the center of the ring. He was the one stalking Haye, he was the one moving forward, pressing and dictating the action and controlling the pace of the fight from the beginning to the end. Isn’t that ring generalship? It’s not as if Haye fought like Klitschko did against Arreola, for example, so deliberately let him come forward, move laterally and nail him with counters all the time – that’s ring control. Haye was just backing away from Valuev, for the most part, without doing anything. I really don’t think you can describe that as ring control and generalship. I have to tell you – I gave almost every round to Valuev based on this criteria and this is exactly why I think he won.
ring generalship,agression,punches landed,and damage inflicted on opponent?
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The "10-point must system" is employed in almost all boxing contests. The perceived winner of around automatically gets 10 points and his opponent 9, that is 10-9. If a knockdown is scored, the fighter who hit the canvass gets 8 so you have a 10-8 score. If he hits the canvass 2 times, it becomes 10-7, and so forth. Scores per round are then added if the fight reaches the distance.
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I think the sub-conscious mind has an affect on the judge’s perspective. This is why we are constantly disagreeing about decision’s even though we are seeing the exact same thing. If a judge is really using the criteria listed in the rulebook, then we would see more uniformity is decisions, but we do not always which tells each judge has their own unique style of judging. I have listened to many judges say that they put value into certain things over others eventhough these values are not listed as judging criteria. I have heard judges say they give close rounds to aggressive power punchers over counter punches even when the counter puncher is landing more according to compubox. Why are they able to do this? Because we are human, and we do our job to the best of our abilities even though our abilities may be different or not as good as others. They should just scrap the judging round system and put the winners name on a card at the end of the fight and hand it to the announcer or have more judges that way it would be more like a popular vote. They should also consider using a decimal system and giving out more draws for rounds. I’m sick of judges and fans thinking a guy won a round because he landed another punch or two.
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Well, as far as I know, it’s supposed to be:
1. Clean Punching
2. Effective Aggressiveness
3. Ring Control And Generalship
4. Defense
What happened last night was nothing more then a real slap in the face to Evander Holyfield before anyone else, Ruslan Chagaev too and couple of other Valuev’s opponents and not to mention boxing fans who have seen the match.
MD victory – give me a break. Ruslan Chagaev got the majority decision against Nikolay and he literally won every round of the match. He engaged, made it a fight, schooled Valuev from bell to bell and he was just only barely able too eek out MD in the end.
46 year old Evander Holyfield, did the exact same thing as Haye, except that he was 3 times more active and he lost?!
David Haye threw and landed literally 2 punches a round and that was enough for him to win?! Valuev didn’t do much better either, but at least he was pressing the action, landing some jabs and trying to engage every time he had Haye on the ropes.
Bottom line – this fight was an embarrassment and the decision even worse and WBA should be disbanded for allowing these charades. Boxing may be going through some difficult times right now, but they seem to take it to the next level. Every time one of their world titles is on the line, especially here in Europe, they just have to find a way to further discredit and humiliate this sport. Having Haye as a world champion after last night just proves this statement.
addition
Elmer if you see this, I’d like to get your opinion on something.
I just saw your response to one of the Valuev vs Haye questions and you say that Haye clearly won based on defense and ring control and generalship. I agree with defense because Haye did show good evasions and good defensive movement, but how do you figure ring control and generalship? Valuev was the one who took the center of the ring. He was the one stalking Haye, he was the one moving forward, pressing and dictating the action and controlling the pace of the fight from the beginning to the end. Isn’t that ring generalship? It’s not as if Haye fought like Klitschko did against Arreola, for example, so deliberately let him come forward, move laterally and nail him with counters all the time – that’s ring control. Haye was just backing away from Valuev, for the most part, without doing anything. I really don’t think you can describe that as ring control and generalship. I have to tell you – I gave almost every round to Valuev based on this criteria and this is exactly why I think he won.
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